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Ember-1 vs Qwen3.8 Max

Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 Max are closely matched at 43.1 and 51.1 on the LLM Stats Score. Qwen3.8 Max is 2.4x cheaper per token.

Fireworks AI · Alibaba Cloud / Qwen Team · Updated for 2026

Which is better?

Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 Max are closely matched on the overall LLM Stats Score at 43.1 and 51.1.

The models split the 2 individual benchmarks reported for both models evenly.

On price, Qwen3.8 Max is roughly 2.4x cheaper per token on a blended 3:1 input/output basis, which adds up quickly at production volume.

Ember-1 also accepts a larger context window (1,040,000 input tokens), making it the stronger choice for long documents and large codebases.

Based on current LLM Stats indexes, shared benchmarks, pricing, and model metadata for 2026.

Choose Ember-1

  • you process long inputs — it offers a 1,040,000 token context window
  • you want the most recent training data — it shipped Sep 2026

Choose Qwen3.8 Max

  • your work emphasizes reasoning — it leads those capability indexes
  • cost matters — it's about 2.4x cheaper per token
  • you need open weights you can self-host or fine-tune

At a glance

The differences that matter most.

Core performance indexes
43.1
#51
51.1
#14
38.6
#72
49.8
#14
37.0
#22
38.1
#20
29.7
#44
36.2
#18
Cost, coverage & limits
Benchmark wins
1 of 2
1 of 2
Input price
$3.00 / M
$1.65 / M
Output price
$15.00 / M
$4.95 / M
Context window
1,040,000
256,000

Capability indexes

Additional strengths measured across groups of related public benchmarks

1 shared
Index
Ember-1
Qwen3.8 Max
15.9#94
28.4#18
Conservative TrueSkill rating · higher is betterHow scores work

Individual benchmarks

4 reported for Ember-1 · 42 for Qwen3.8 Max

2 shared

Ember-1 outperforms in 1 benchmarks (DeepSWE 1.1), while Qwen3.8 Max is better at 1 benchmark (Terminal-Bench 2.1).

Both models are evenly matched across the benchmarks.

Thu Oct 08 2026 • llm-stats.com

Human preference

Blind head-to-head votes and playground preference scores

Pricing Analysis

Price comparison per million tokens

Qwen3.8 Max costs less

For input processing, Ember-1 ($3.00/1M tokens) is 1.8x more expensive than Qwen3.8 Max ($1.65/1M tokens).

For output processing, Ember-1 ($15.00/1M tokens) is 3.0x more expensive than Qwen3.8 Max ($4.95/1M tokens).

In conclusion, Ember-1 is more expensive than Qwen3.8 Max.*

* Using a 3:1 ratio of input to output tokens

Lowest available price from all providers
Thu Oct 08 2026 • llm-stats.com
Fireworks AI
Ember-1
Input tokens$3.00
Output tokens$15.00
Best providerFireworks
Alibaba Cloud / Qwen Team
Qwen3.8 Max
Input tokens$1.65
Output tokens$4.95
Best providerDeepinfra
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Model Size

Parameter count comparison

380.0B diff

Ember-1 has 380.0B more parameters than Qwen3.8 Max, making it 15.8% larger.

Fireworks AI
Ember-1
2.8Tparameters
Alibaba Cloud / Qwen Team
Qwen3.8 Max
2.4Tparameters
2780.0B
Ember-1
2400.0B
Qwen3.8 Max

Context Window

Maximum input and output token capacity

Ember-1 accepts 1,040,000 input tokens compared to Qwen3.8 Max's 256,000 tokens. Only Qwen3.8 Max specifies output context (256,000 tokens).

Fireworks AI
Ember-1
Input1,040,000 tokens
Output- tokens
Alibaba Cloud / Qwen Team
Qwen3.8 Max
Input256,000 tokens
Output256,000 tokens
Thu Oct 08 2026 • llm-stats.com

Input capabilities

Documented input modalities across available providers

Qwen3.8 Max supports multimodal inputs, whereas Ember-1 does not.

Qwen3.8 Max can handle both text and other forms of data like images, making it suitable for multimodal applications.

Ember-1

Text
Images
Audio
Video

Qwen3.8 Max

Text
Images
Audio
Video

License

Usage and distribution terms

Ember-1 is licensed under a proprietary license, while Qwen3.8 Max uses Qwen3.8-Max License.

License differences may affect how you can use these models in commercial or open-source projects.

Ember-1

Proprietary

Closed source

Qwen3.8 Max

Qwen3.8-Max License

Open weights

Release Timeline

When each model was launched

Ember-1 was released on 2026-09-23, while Qwen3.8 Max was released on 2026-08-02.

Ember-1 is 2 months newer than Qwen3.8 Max.

Ember-1

Sep 23, 2026

2 weeks ago

1mo newer
Qwen3.8 Max

Aug 2, 2026

2 months ago

Knowledge Cutoff

When training data ends

Neither model specifies a knowledge cutoff date.

Unable to compare the recency of their training data.

No cutoff dates available

Provider Availability

Ember-1 is available from Fireworks. Qwen3.8 Max is available from DeepInfra, Fireworks, Novita, Together.

Ember-1

fireworks logo
Fireworks
Input Price:Input: $3.00/1MOutput Price:Output: $15.00/1M

Qwen3.8 Max

deepinfra logo
Deepinfra
Input Price:Input: $1.65/1MOutput Price:Output: $4.95/1M
fireworks logo
Fireworks
Input Price:Input: $2.00/1MOutput Price:Output: $6.00/1M
novita logo
Novita
Input Price:Input: $2.00/1MOutput Price:Output: $6.00/1M
together logo
Together
Input Price:Input: $2.50/1MOutput Price:Output: $6.25/1M
* Prices shown are per million tokens

Outputs Comparison

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Judge for yourself.

Run your own prompts against Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 Max side-by-side, then vote on the output you prefer.

Ember-1
✓ Preferred
Qwen3.8 Max
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FAQ

Common questions about Ember-1 vs Qwen3.8 Max.

Which is better, Ember-1 or Qwen3.8 Max?

Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 Max are closely matched on the LLM Stats Score at 43.1 and 51.1. Ember-1 is made by Fireworks AI and Qwen3.8 Max is made by Alibaba Cloud / Qwen Team. The best choice depends on your use case — compare their capability indexes, individual benchmarks, pricing, and limits above.

How does Ember-1 compare to Qwen3.8 Max in benchmarks?

Ember-1 scores SWE-Bench Verified: 92.2%, Terminal-Bench 2.1: 82.0%, DeepSWE 1.1: 75.2%, Tau2 Airline: 66.0%. Qwen3.8 Max scores PaperBench: 93.0%, MRCR v2 (8-needle): 92.9%, GPQA: 92.6%, VideoMME w sub.: 90.4%, RealWorldQA: 88.0%.

Is Ember-1 cheaper than Qwen3.8 Max?

Qwen3.8 Max is 1.8x cheaper for input tokens. Ember-1 costs $3.00/M input and $15.00/M output via fireworks. Qwen3.8 Max costs $1.65/M input and $4.95/M output via deepinfra.

What are the context window sizes for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 Max?

Ember-1 supports 1.0M tokens and Qwen3.8 Max supports 256K tokens. A larger context window lets you process longer documents, conversations, or codebases in a single request.

What are the main differences between Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 Max?

Key differences include LLM Stats Score (43.1 vs 51.1), context window (1.0M vs 256K), input pricing ($3.00 vs $1.65/M), multimodal support (no vs yes), licensing (Proprietary vs Qwen3.8-Max License). See the full comparison above for benchmark-by-benchmark results.

Who makes Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 Max?

Ember-1 is developed by Fireworks AI and Qwen3.8 Max is developed by Alibaba Cloud / Qwen Team.